On Suffering: 2

"For me, suffering has two meanings. Suffering can be negative. If you try to suffer for it's own sake, that's bad. That's unhealthy. There's something wrong in your head. But when you talk about suffering  that you must get through, and that you can survive through enormous effort, that is something else. That is positive, good and beautiful. Beautiful because you think of courage, of stamina, loyalty, the willingness to make sacrifices, modesty and love. From this perspective, the suffering during training, during sporting competitions, while doing one's job, which all require great effort, is the same as religious suffering. It is love. It is beautiful. I like that..."

Hell on wheels, 2005.